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posted by Rugxulo(R) Homepage, Usono, 06.04.2009, 00:04

> > The problem with Yahoo! is that, IIRC, attachments are limited to 10 MB
> > (instead of 20 MB for Gmail). And I'm not sure if that's before or
> after
> > the base64 encoding. Blah.
> That doesn't concern me. A lot of email servers out there have even lower
> limits. I try to make sure the recipient can receive the files I
> attach. GMail is at the high end allowing 20MB. Most don't.

Yes, I know, and it's not like I ever send many file attachments anyways, just something to be aware of. I think the bottom of the rung (no offense to anybody, it's just usually pretty arbitrary what limits you have on computer software) is 1 MB attachments max. That's why I usually ask before sending attachments although most people don't mind anyways.

> > Yeah, they've given me the bogus "please enter captcha" just for
> posting
> > on Google Groups a few times, which is odd. Who knows, maybe somebody
> > didn't like something I said (unlikely but possible).
> Highly unlikely. You were posting via the web interface? I own
> another Group where all the posting is via email. I've never heard a
> problem report.

Sometimes I use Opera, which isn't fully supported there, and sometimes I use Firefox 3, which you'd think would work perfectly, but alas ....

> > I've read there various times over the past few years. I don't remember
> if
> > I ever contributed anything (still haven't told you about
> > e3's final
> > version 2.7.1, see new
> > homepage [down??] and
> > binaries, which I
> > had to manually build since no longer pre-included). For the record, my
> > obsession is 99% with DOS-oriented stuff (in case it wasn't obvious).
> :-D
> Ah. Thanks for the new e3. I have it here, because I collect tiny
> editors.

The e3 site (if you can call it that, only two links) is back up now. I meant to also point you to sources on my site "just in case", so here: e3-271.tgz. I don't think e3 will be maintained anymore, sadly. The 16-bit DOS version is pretty crappy, though (if I am allowed to say that without offending the author, heh): 32k file limit, not *nix LF friendly. IIRC, I probably mentioned on about using HXRT with the Win9x version (which WinXP and friends don't run correctly at all, go figure!). Still, just like FASM, e3 is cool because it's portable to so many OSes.

> It's also used in Puppy Linux. That distro wants to keep the ISO size
> under 100MB, and does various things to save space. e3 is linked as vi.

I assume XVI would be a better fit (still small but useful). Some others I've seen use an older version of Elvis, which is relatively small too. And, as mentioned, most GNU/Linux distros include Vim-tiny. Heck, JED is a very good Emacs clone and can emulate vi too (while not barely topping 2 MB unpacked for the DOS port). Not bad, if you ask me.

> > > > I have some comparison notes about various DOS editors that I've
> > > > been making for a while now, might post it online fairly soon just
> > > > for laughs.
> > >
> > > I'd like to see it. Feel free to add it to It's
> > > the sort of thing the site was made for.
> >
> > I'll dig it up for you, but I'm not sure how it would fit into the
> > setup of TextEditors. (It's mostly just a huge bunch of comments
> > in a .BAT file.)
> Send it along, and I'll see about editing for format.

I'll take a quick look later tonight and try uploading it tomorrow.

> > > One Windows, I use Notepad++ for most things. On Unix/Linux, I use
> > > vi/vim, though I use Emacs on occasion, and I'm becoming fond of
> > > Geany in X sessions under Linux.

Mousepad, Beaver, Ted, Kate, mc's editor, Nano, etc. seem to be popular on Linux. BTW, do I remember incorrectly, or is Notepad++ the #1 Sourceforge project now?

> > As you may know, TDE works on DOS (16-bit or 32-bit), Win32 console,
> and
> > Linux w/ ncurses. Not that I ever use Linux much, and it never comes
> > default so I built my own binary (which I always forget to use).
> Vim-tiny
> > seems default on most GNU/Linux distros (although gNewSense includes
> > Emacs, thankfully).
> Yes, I have and use TDE under Win32 console. Haven't moved it to Linux
> yet.

If you have libncurses-dev, you can build it yourself (although not all distros have that).

> > That predates me a bit. :-)) But I imagine you mean something like
> > Forth block editors (or not, who knows, EDT? heh).
> Neither.
> 3270 terminals were block mode, not character mode. In normal editing on
> character mode terminals, each char you type is sent is sent immediately
> to the host.
> On a block mode terminal, when you were editing, you could move around the
> screen and change things, but that all happened locally. When you hit
> Enter (might have been called Submit or something), the entire
> screen was sent to the host.

Wacky. But that sounds like something I've read before too. It's almost like when I read Bill Joy say, "vi was a product of the times, not really needed anymore" (e.g. fast screen updates remotely over terminal or whatever). But obviously almost nobody uses vanilla vi, only the extended variants (mostly Elvis or VILE or VIM, especially VIM, the topic for 99% of posts on news://comp.editors !!).


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