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Is there a text editor that does not convert tabs to spaces? FreeDOS edit either converts tabs to spaces or prints them as a single char

> Is there a text editor that does not convert tabs to spaces? FreeDOS edit
> either converts tabs to spaces or prints them as a single char

FASM IDE, INFOPAD, KINESICS

Although INFOPAD has some bugs with tab's and FASM converts them also but you can convert them "back". BTW, I don't like the "tab feature" at all, it messes up the text layout The conversion of FreeDOS edit is good, but it should offer other strategies besides "witdh 8" also

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> Is there a text editor that does not convert tabs to spaces? FreeDOS edit
> either converts tabs to spaces or prints them as a single char

TDE won't do so unless you explicitly tell it to. And it has various optional tab settings (see TDE.CFG) as well as the "-t" (e.g. "-t4") cmdline option.

Of course, there are a billion other editors too. (CWS has also been heavily polishing off his "ED", too.) See http://www.texteditors.org for more info.

> Is there a text editor that does not convert tabs to spaces? FreeDOS edit
> either converts tabs to spaces or prints them as a single char

DOS Navigator's internal editor let you choose mode "optimal fill" which mean when enabled that text file will be packed using tabs instead spaces and when disabled all tabs will be replaced with spaces.

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> See http://www.texteditors.org for more info.

Risky - no info about usability in DOS

> DOS Navigator's internal editor let you choose mode "optimal fill" which
> mean when enabled that text file will be packed using tabs instead spaces
> and when disabled all tabs will be replaced with spaces.

As FASM IDE inspired by it does

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> > See http://www.texteditors.org for more info.
>
> Risky - no info about usability in DOS

http://www.texteditors.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?MsDosEditors

> http://www.texteditors.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?MsDogEditors

They have neither INFOPAD nor FreeDOS EDIT nor DN nor NDN nor FASM and IIRC I tested some of the "suggestions" in the past and none of them worked, so NO, this is NOT a list of DOS editors

> [About MS-DOS] : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MSDOG

Maybe this helps to understand why

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> > http://www.texteditors.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?MsDogEditors
>
> They have neither INFOPAD nor FreeDOS EDIT nor DN nor NDN nor FASM

FreeDOS EDIT is too weak for hardcore use. DN / NDN is mainly intended as a file manager. FASMD is mainly an assembler. Infopad mainly is intended to supplement CC386. Not saying they are invalid, just that they aren't 100% geared towards textual editing itself.

> IIRC I tested some of the "suggestions" in the past and none of them
> worked, so NO, this is NOT a list of DOS editors

Not a very complete one, no, but it IS a wiki, so somebody has to take the initiative. (I've made similar private lists, fully DOS oriented, as mentioned before.)

> > [About MS-DOS] : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MSDOG
>
> Maybe this helps to understand why

You're being a little misleading here, the link points specifically to "MSDOS", i.e. one vendor's version, which is I guess your problem with it. It is in no way defamatory towards DOS in general.

I guess getting tabs instead of spaces is difficult for the text editors listed I will consider writing my own text editor

> DOS Navigator's internal editor let you choose mode "optimal fill" which
> mean when enabled that text file will be packed using tabs instead spaces
> and when disabled all tabs will be replaced with spaces.

There are some editors which have certain options that prevents tabs to be converted to spaces. VDE is an example. Actually I think that you would agree that VDE is one of the best DOS editors, in spite of its known limitations ("you" means here those who have some experience with DOS editors, not you).

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Setedit

you can choose if you want tabs conversion or not

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> FreeDOS EDIT is too weak for hardcore use.

64 KiB limit + some bugs ... yeah

> DN / NDN is mainly intended as a file manager.

> FASMD is mainly an assembler.

Having Tomasz's editor available also without built-in FASM woud be cool, but check the bloat: FASM compiler core + editor is still less bloated than 95% of standalone editors

> Infopad mainly is intended to supplement CC386.

No, it's a standalone editor

> Not saying they are invalid, just that they aren't
> 100% geared towards textual editing itself.

Not 100% geared, not 100% stable, not 100% comatible ... the world sucks

> Not a very complete one, no, but it IS a wiki, so somebody has to take

You can't expect useful info on DOS from guys not having DOS, just C&P'ing from some 20 years old obsolete sources

And KINESICS of course, it requires HX (and for EDR-DOS 2009-03-28 also UI21DEB), but is uncrashable

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> > DOS Navigator's internal editor let you choose mode "optimal fill" which
> > mean when enabled that text file will be packed using tabs instead
> spaces
> > and when disabled all tabs will be replaced with spaces.
>
> There are some editors which have certain options that prevents tabs to be
> converted to spaces. VDE is an example. Actually I think that you would
> agree that VDE is one of the best DOS editors, in spite of its known
> limitations ("you" means here those who have some experience with DOS
> editors, not you).

I use cygwin's joe. Maybe there is a dos port too, it is quite old.

> There are some editors which have certain options that prevents tabs to be
> converted to spaces. VDE is an example.

Thanks, "VDE /N" only gives hard tabs so it works for me. It looks like I won't have to write my own text editor after all

> Setedit
>
> you can choose if you want tabs conversion or not

Just tried Latest version of set edit. It says it has a "real tabs mode" in it's documentation but I can't figure out how to turn it on...

> > Setedit
> >
> > you can choose if you want tabs conversion or not
>
> Just tried Latest version of set edit. It says it has a "real tabs mode"
> in it's documentation but I can't figure out how to turn it on...

Go into menu -> Tools&Ops -> Options -> Global edition -> and check "use tabs" and optionaly "Optimal fill" and "see tabs"

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> > Just tried Latest version of set edit. It says it has a "real tabs
> mode"
> > in it's documentation but I can't figure out how to turn it on...
>
> Go into menu -> Tools&Ops -> Options -> Global edition -> and check "use
> tabs" and optionaly "Optimal fill" and "see tabs"

Thanks. It worked!

> > http://www.texteditors.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?MsDogEditors
>
> They have neither INFOPAD nor FreeDOS EDIT nor DN nor NDN nor FASM and
> IIRC I tested some of the "suggestions" in the past and none of them
> worked, so NO, this is NOT a list of DOS editors
>
> > [About MS-DOS] : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MSDOG
>
> Maybe this helps to understand why

Your style is so special again, that I recommend you writing to your own board.

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> > Not a very complete one, no, but it IS a wiki, so somebody has to take
>
> You can't expect useful info on DOS from guys not having DOS, just C&P'ing
> from some 20 years old obsolete sources

It's a wiki! So change that instead of crying like a baby! Again.

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> > There are some editors which have certain options that prevents tabs to
> be
> > converted to spaces. VDE is an example.
>
> Thanks, "VDE /N" only gives hard tabs so it works for me. It looks like I
> won't have to write my own text editor after all

I mentioned TDE, which works perfectly well, but apparently you ignored it. Oh well, no huge loss I guess.

> I use cygwin's joe. Maybe there is a dos port too, it is quite old.

Last I checked, JOE was at 3.5, but DOS hasn't had a port since 2.2 (16-bit) or 1.0 (DJGPPv1 !!!).

> I mentioned TDE, which works perfectly well, but apparently you ignored
> it. Oh well, no huge loss I guess.

Oops, I missed it. I see several tab options in tde.cfg but I'm not sure which one to change. I'll have to look at the command line as well...

> Is there a text editor that does not convert tabs to spaces? FreeDOS edit
> either converts tabs to spaces or prints them as a single char

Aurora's tab settings:



From the Aurora editor manual:

- Fixed Interval Tabs

  Fixed Interval tabs are tab stops which are placed at regular
  intervals across a line of text. The width of the interval is
  defined by the current value of the TabWidth configuration
  setting. For example, when TabWidth is 8, tab stops are located at
  every 8th column position (columns 1, 9, 17, 25, etc.).

  Fixed interval tabs are the default when the Variable Tabs and
  Smart Tabs settings are turned Off.

- Variable Tabs

  Variable tabs are preset tab stops placed at irregular intervals
  across a line of text. The position of each tab stop is explicitly
  defined by the VarTabs configuration setting. For example, when
  the value of VarTabs is '3 5 18 71', then tab stops are located at
  columns 3, 5, 18, and 71.

  Variable tabs are in effect when the Variable Tabs setting is On
  and the Smart Tabs setting is Off.

- Smart Tabs

  Smart tabs are tab stops located at the beginning of words on the
  first non-blank line before the current line. Smart tabs are
  useful for aligning data with columns on the previous line.

  Smart tabs are in effect when the Smart Tabs setting is On.

There also is an "Entab on Save" option and macros to entab or detab a file.

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FTE by default doesn't, but can be configured to convert TABS to spaces or not to convert. Settings can be applied differently for different file types. You can download the latest DOS version here.

> FTE by default doesn't, but can be configured to convert TABS to spaces or
> not to convert. Settings can be applied differently for different file
> types. You can download the latest DOS version
> here.

Or you may wish to try rr's port from CVS.

http://www.bttr-software.de/ports/

> It's a wiki! So change that instead of crying like a baby! Again.

I'm not going to register to every Wiki around (how many are there total ??? ), also, isn't it you who loves to cry like a baby about my posts ?

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> > It's a wiki! So change that instead of crying like a baby! Again.
>
> I'm not going to register to every Wiki around (how many are there
> total ??? )

There's no need to register to this Wiki, moron!

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> There's no need to register to this Wiki, moron!

Very helpful post.

EOD

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> > > It's a wiki! So change that instead of crying like a baby!
> Again.
> >
> > I'm not going to register to every Wiki around (how many are
> there
> > total ??? )
>
> There's no need to register to this Wiki, moron!

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