LZ-DOS 7.1 *IS* MSDOS 7.1 (Miscellaneous)
> > Neither of those are particularly appealing to me, especially since I've
> > already proven this is the MS-DOS kernel (or the 0.0000001% chance that
> > it's merely reverse engineered & stolen code, which is no better).
>
> You proved that the small kernel loader is the same as in MS-DOS 7.10 (as
> is by the way the boot sector whose work it continues), but you can't
> prove anything about the real kernel itself until you can unpack it.
Lucho, I know that you don't accept the concept of 'copyright', but that
does mean you may act just stupid (or just lazy).
LZDOS can be easily unpacked - by booting it.
what I did:
create a MSDOS 7.1 floppy with
IO.SYS
command.com (freedos)
mem.exe (freedos)
debug.com (freedos)
autoexec.bat (empty)
config.sys (just containing DOS=LOW)
create a LZDOS 7.1 floppy with IO.SYS replaced by 'LZDOS' IO.SYS
boot this 2 maschines to compare
a:>MEM
says 488 KB free (DOS is loaded low) in both cases. so what ?
a:>MEM /D
lists addresses of all devices in the system. *ALL* devices are at the
same address. That's interesting, but maybe a really undocumented
secret requires that.
OK, lets look at the devices themself; lets look at the code of
the COM4 device handler (mem /d has provided the address).
a:>debug
-d 70:DC
strange, looks identical on both maschines.
take the 4'th word; it's the address of COM4->interupt handler
u 70:2b8
...
still identical, so the conclusion is inevitable:
the COM4 'interrupt' handler is identical (instruction for instruction),
which for me ends this discussion.
if you want to prove *YOUR* point (that LZDOS is created by some sibirian
genius),
do the same for the CON device, CLOCK device, or any other device.
disassmble the INT 21/INT 2f handler, and show us any (significant)
difference.
otherwise just admit, that this genius just removed some MS startup screen,
and compressed the MS 7.1 kernel (which is remarkable and welcomed,
nevertheless)
I hope that ends this war, and we can get back to technical issues.
Tom
Complete thread:
- LZ-DOS 7.1 & booting previous DOS version - RayeR, 19.11.2007, 10:43 (Miscellaneous)
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- LZ-DOS 7.1 & booting previous DOS version - sol, 19.11.2007, 17:56
- LZ-DOS 7.1 & booting previous DOS version - sol, 19.11.2007, 17:59
- LZ-DOS 7.1 - lucho, 19.11.2007, 19:05
- LZ-DOS 7.1 - Steve, 19.11.2007, 19:36
- LZ-DOS 7.1 - lucho, 19.11.2007, 20:11
- LZ-DOS 7.1 - Steve, 20.11.2007, 18:29
- LZ-DOS 7.1 - lucho, 19.11.2007, 20:11
- LZ-DOS 7.1 - sol, 19.11.2007, 20:06
- LZ-DOS 7.1 - lucho, 19.11.2007, 20:24
- LZ-DOS 7.1 - sol, 19.11.2007, 20:26
- LZ-DOS 7.1 - lucho, 19.11.2007, 20:38
- LZ-DOS 7.1 - sol, 19.11.2007, 20:45
- LZ-DOS 7.1 - lucho, 19.11.2007, 20:49
- LZ-DOS 7.1 - sol, 19.11.2007, 21:32
- LZ-DOS 7.1 - sol, 19.11.2007, 21:39
- LZ-DOS 7.1 - sol, 19.11.2007, 21:55
- LZ-DOS 7.1 - sol, 19.11.2007, 21:58
- LZ-DOS 7.1 - sol, 19.11.2007, 22:00
- LZ-DOS 7.1 - lucho, 20.11.2007, 07:35
- LZ-DOS 7.1 - sol, 20.11.2007, 08:13
- LZ-DOS 7.1 - lucho, 20.11.2007, 09:43
- LZ-DOS 7.1 - RayeR, 20.11.2007, 12:52
- LZ-DOS 7.1 - lucho, 20.11.2007, 13:25
- LZ-DOS 7.1 - RayeR, 20.11.2007, 14:51
- LZ-DOS 7.1 - lucho, 20.11.2007, 15:28
- LZ-DOS 7.1 - RayeR, 20.11.2007, 18:15
- LZ-DOS 7.1 - sol, 20.11.2007, 19:04
- LZ-DOS 7.1 - sol, 20.11.2007, 19:09
- SOL comes from StoOL-pigeon - lucho, 20.11.2007, 19:54
- SOL comes from StoOL-pigeon - sol, 20.11.2007, 20:22
- "Forking" is much worse than copying - lucho, 21.11.2007, 11:00
- SOL comes from StoOL-pigeon - sol, 20.11.2007, 20:22
- SOL comes from StoOL-pigeon - lucho, 20.11.2007, 19:54
- LZ-DOS 7.1 - lucho, 20.11.2007, 19:30
- LZ-DOS 7.1 - sol, 20.11.2007, 19:34
- LZ-DOS 7.1 - RayeR, 20.11.2007, 19:51
- LZ-DOS 7.1 - sol, 21.11.2007, 00:36
- LZ-DOS 7.1 - lucho, 21.11.2007, 10:32
- LZ-DOS 7.1 *IS* MSDOS 7.1 - tom, 22.11.2007, 12:39
- LZ-DOS 7.1 - lucho, 21.11.2007, 10:32
- LZ-DOS 7.1 - sol, 21.11.2007, 00:36
- LZ-DOS 7.1 - RayeR, 20.11.2007, 19:51
- LZ-DOS 7.1 - sol, 20.11.2007, 19:34
- LZ-DOS 7.1 - sol, 20.11.2007, 19:09
- LZ-DOS 7.1 - lucho, 20.11.2007, 15:28
- LZ-DOS 7.1 - RayeR, 20.11.2007, 14:51
- LZ-DOS 7.1 - Rugxulo, 22.11.2007, 16:58
- LZ-DOS 7.1 - rr, 22.11.2007, 21:28
- LZ-DOS 7.1 - lucho, 20.11.2007, 13:25
- LZ-DOS 7.1 - RayeR, 20.11.2007, 12:52
- LZ-DOS 7.1 - lucho, 20.11.2007, 09:43
- LZ-DOS 7.1 - sol, 20.11.2007, 08:13
- LZ-DOS 7.1 - lucho, 20.11.2007, 07:35
- LZ-DOS 7.1 - sol, 19.11.2007, 22:00
- LZ-DOS 7.1 - sol, 19.11.2007, 21:58
- LZ-DOS 7.1 - sol, 19.11.2007, 21:55
- LZ-DOS 7.1 - sol, 19.11.2007, 21:39
- LZ-DOS 7.1 - sol, 19.11.2007, 21:32
- LZ-DOS 7.1 - lucho, 19.11.2007, 20:49
- LZ-DOS 7.1 - sol, 19.11.2007, 20:45
- LZ-DOS 7.1 - lucho, 19.11.2007, 20:38
- LZ-DOS 7.1 - sol, 19.11.2007, 20:26
- LZ-DOS 7.1 - rr, 20.11.2007, 10:58
- LZ-DOS 7.1 - lucho, 20.11.2007, 12:45
- LZ-DOS 7.1 - lucho, 19.11.2007, 20:24
- LZ-DOS 7.1 - sol, 19.11.2007, 20:10
- LZ-DOS 7.1 - lucho, 19.11.2007, 20:33
- LZ-DOS 7.1 - sol, 19.11.2007, 20:37
- LZ-DOS 7.1 - lucho, 19.11.2007, 20:46
- LZ-DOS 7.1 - Rugxulo, 20.11.2007, 00:07
- About the Best Kept Top Secret of this forum, again - lucho, 20.11.2007, 07:46
- I apologize. - Japheth, 20.11.2007, 12:01
- I apologize. - lucho, 20.11.2007, 12:49
- anger shortens one's life - Rugxulo, 21.11.2007, 09:28
- anger shortens one's life - lucho, 21.11.2007, 10:03
- anger shortens one's life - Japheth, 21.11.2007, 10:09
- anger shortens one's life - Rugxulo, 21.11.2007, 09:28
- I apologize. - lucho, 20.11.2007, 12:49
- About the Best Kept Top Secret of this forum, again - Rugxulo, 21.11.2007, 09:25
- About the Best Kept Top Secret of this forum, again - lucho, 21.11.2007, 12:10
- About the Best Kept Top Secret of this forum, again - Steve, 21.11.2007, 12:32
- About the Best Kept Top Secret of this forum, again - lucho, 21.11.2007, 12:38
- About the Best Kept Top Secret of this forum, again - Steve, 21.11.2007, 13:17
- About the Best Kept Top Secret of this forum, again - lucho, 21.11.2007, 13:22
- About the Best Kept Top Secret of this forum, again - Steve, 21.11.2007, 13:17
- About the Best Kept Top Secret of this forum, again - lucho, 21.11.2007, 12:38
- About the Best Kept Top Secret of this forum, again - Rugxulo, 21.11.2007, 12:46
- Useless to argue - Japheth, 21.11.2007, 13:11
- Useless to argue - lucho, 21.11.2007, 13:17
- About the Best Kept Top Secret of this forum, again - lucho, 21.11.2007, 13:12
- About the Best Kept Top Secret of this forum, again - sol, 21.11.2007, 16:29
- Pravetz-16, etc. - lucho, 21.11.2007, 18:20
- Pravetz-16, etc. - RayeR, 21.11.2007, 18:45
- Pravetz-16, etc. - Steve, 22.11.2007, 05:35
- Pravetz-16, etc. - lucho, 21.11.2007, 18:20
- About the Best Kept Top Secret of this forum, again - sol, 21.11.2007, 16:29
- Useless to argue - Japheth, 21.11.2007, 13:11
- About the Best Kept Top Secret of this forum, again - Steve, 21.11.2007, 12:32
- Saul Hudson -- nice guy - Rugxulo, 21.11.2007, 13:02
- Book author? - lucho, 21.11.2007, 13:26
- Book author? - Rugxulo, 22.11.2007, 14:59
- Book author? - lucho, 21.11.2007, 13:26
- About the Best Kept Top Secret of this forum, again - lucho, 21.11.2007, 12:10
- I apologize. - Japheth, 20.11.2007, 12:01
- About the Best Kept Top Secret of this forum, again - lucho, 20.11.2007, 07:46
- LZ-DOS 7.1 - sol, 19.11.2007, 20:37
- LZ-DOS 7.1 - lucho, 19.11.2007, 20:33
- LZ-DOS 7.1 - Steve, 19.11.2007, 19:36
- LZ-DOS 7.1 - lucho, 19.11.2007, 19:05
- LZ-DOS 7.1 & booting previous DOS version - Japheth, 19.11.2007, 22:41
- LZ-DOS 7.1 - lucho, 20.11.2007, 08:06
- LZ-DOS 7.1 - Japheth, 20.11.2007, 08:57
- The pot calls the kettle black - lucho, 20.11.2007, 09:26
- The pot calls the kettle black - Japheth, 20.11.2007, 10:22
- The pot calls the kettle black - lucho, 20.11.2007, 13:18
- "Five of Good" - agreed - Japheth, 20.11.2007, 14:05
- The pot calls the kettle black - Rugxulo, 21.11.2007, 09:43
- Depression - lucho, 21.11.2007, 10:18
- The pot calls the kettle black - Japheth, 21.11.2007, 10:19
- The pot calls the kettle black - lucho, 21.11.2007, 10:25
- The pot calls the kettle black - Japheth, 21.11.2007, 10:42
- Udo confirmed it was you - lucho, 21.11.2007, 11:05
- The FOG is speaking - Japheth, 21.11.2007, 12:43
- The FOG is speaking - Steve, 21.11.2007, 13:28
- Five of Good vs. Gang of Four - lucho, 21.11.2007, 13:42
- 2 innocent questions - Japheth, 21.11.2007, 14:05
- 2 innocent questions - lucho, 21.11.2007, 14:44
- 2 innocent questions - Steve, 21.11.2007, 14:56
- 2 innocent questions - lucho, 21.11.2007, 15:34
- None selected - Japheth, 21.11.2007, 17:45
- None selected - Steve, 21.11.2007, 17:58
- None selected - Japheth, 21.11.2007, 17:45
- 2 innocent questions - lucho, 21.11.2007, 15:34
- ... the game must go on ... - Japheth, 21.11.2007, 15:38
- ... the game must go on ... - Matjaz, 21.11.2007, 19:14
- A small riddle - Japheth, 21.11.2007, 19:39
- ... the game must go on ... - Matjaz, 21.11.2007, 19:14
- 2 innocent questions - Steve, 21.11.2007, 14:56
- 2 innocent questions - lucho, 21.11.2007, 14:44
- 2 innocent questions - Japheth, 21.11.2007, 14:05
- The FOG is speaking - Japheth, 21.11.2007, 12:43
- Udo confirmed it was you - lucho, 21.11.2007, 11:05
- a one man play ... no, not about my hooha - Rugxulo, 21.11.2007, 10:51
- The pot calls the kettle black - Japheth, 21.11.2007, 10:42
- The pot calls the kettle black - lucho, 21.11.2007, 10:25
- The pot calls the kettle black - lucho, 20.11.2007, 13:18
- The pot calls the kettle black - Japheth, 20.11.2007, 10:22
- The pot calls the kettle black - lucho, 20.11.2007, 09:26
- LZ-DOS 7.1 - Japheth, 20.11.2007, 08:57
- LZ-DOS 7.1 - lucho, 20.11.2007, 08:06
- LZ-DOS 7.1 & booting previous DOS version - sol, 19.11.2007, 17:59
- LZ-DOS 7.1 & booting previous DOS version - rr, 20.11.2007, 11:24
- LZ-DOS 7.1 & booting previous DOS version - RayeR, 20.11.2007, 12:07
- LZ-DOS 7.1 & booting previous DOS version - lucho, 20.11.2007, 13:27
- LZ-DOS 7.1 & booting previous DOS version - Rugxulo, 21.11.2007, 09:15
- Boot managers, Vista - lucho, 21.11.2007, 09:40
- Boot managers, Vista - Rugxulo, 21.11.2007, 09:57
- METAKERN by Eric Auer - lucho, 21.11.2007, 12:46
- OS boot managers -- comparison requested - Rugxulo, 21.11.2007, 12:57
- OS boot managers -- comparison requested - lucho, 21.11.2007, 13:32
- OS boot managers -- comparison requested - Rugxulo, 21.11.2007, 12:57
- METAKERN by Eric Auer - lucho, 21.11.2007, 12:46
- Boot managers, Vista - Rugxulo, 21.11.2007, 09:57
- Boot managers, Vista - lucho, 21.11.2007, 09:40
- LZ-DOS 7.1 & booting previous DOS version - Rugxulo, 21.11.2007, 09:15
- LZ-DOS 7.1 & booting previous DOS version - lucho, 20.11.2007, 13:27
- LZ-DOS 7.1 & booting previous DOS version - RayeR, 20.11.2007, 12:07
- LZ-DOS 7.1 & booting previous DOS version - sol, 19.11.2007, 17:56
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