DOS ain't dead - GVFM 2.62 Graphical File Manager

GVFM 2.62 Graphical File Manager (Announce)

posted by Rugxulo , Usono, 01.12.2007, 23:10

> Yes, but as you say, DOS support has always been a hack with VP. It's also
> never supported [any?] Delphi language extensions and doesn't have a
> source-level debugger that will work with DOS (AFAIK).

Yeah, but your current BP7 doesn't support Delphi either, right? (Or do you just mean object-oriented Pascal stuff?? I dunno, I don't use Pascal.)

> FreePascal has effectively dropped support for DOS. There are current
> murmurings about trying to get a DOS version working again (Laaca probably
> knows more about this than me), but I won't hold my breath.

They need testers. Unfortunately, besides being busy with other projects, I don't know Pascal at all, so I can't help much. They need to ask in the right places (I dunno, comp.os.msdos.djgpp?? FPC is based on/built by DJGPP tools, so I guess that's fair.)

> However, this
> would be a way to go if they do get it working properly (with the
> HX or other thread-capable extender), since it has a half-decent
> debugger.

I think our beloved rr had been working on the debugging interface a bit, but I dunno how far he got it towards a usable state.

> GNU Pascal is a piece of Unix-centric rubbish which for the last
> God-knows-how-many-years has only had two maintainers, which isn't enough
> because they can't even keep up with new GCC releases, let alone add
> anything new.

So you've tried it before? The latest runs on GCC 3.4.4. It looks nice to me, at least. Yes, it's probably *nix specific, but that's because GNU is biased heavily towards *nix (despite the "GNU's Not Unix" mantra), so that's unavoidable.

> What I have done however is started a 32-bit port to Delphi. I have most
> of Graphic Vision (100,000+ lines of Pascal and 10,000+ lines of
> assembler) working in Delphi2006/Windows/DirectDraw. With my Hardware and
> Environment Abstraction Layer (HEAL) already written, and Japheth's HX
> extender, this will shortly (< 6 months) also be able to run under
> DOS/DPMI. I hope the next major version of GVFM will be 32-bit. Debugging
> its DOS-specific code with not be easy though. :-(

Delphi 1 was able to build for DOS, no? Also, WDOSX was able to run some Delphi stuff (see here). You probably knew all that, though.

> I just get so annoyed at how obfuscated the C/C++ syntax is that I always
> give up trying to learn it (again).

There are other languages, of course: Forth, XPL0, Euphoria, Ada, FreeBASIC, Erlang, Eiffel, Perl, Ruby, Python, CommonLisp, D, ML, Haskell, etc.

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GVFM 2.62 Graphical File Manager - jaybur, 30.11.2007, 07:21 (Announce)
- GVFM 2.62 Graphical File Manager - Laaca, 30.11.2007, 07:33
  - GVFM 2.62 Graphical File Manager - jaybur, 30.11.2007, 07:52
    - GVFM 2.62 Graphical File Manager - Rugxulo, 01.12.2007, 09:12
      - GVFM 2.62 Graphical File Manager - jaybur, 01.12.2007, 15:24
        GVFM 2.62 Graphical File Manager - flox, 01.12.2007, 21:04
        GVFM 2.62 Graphical File Manager - Rugxulo, 01.12.2007, 23:10
        GVFM 2.62 Graphical File Manager - Laaca, 02.12.2007, 00:01
        GVFM 2.62 Graphical File Manager - jaybur, 02.12.2007, 05:19
        GVFM 2.62 Graphical File Manager - Laaca, 02.12.2007, 10:50
        GVFM 2.62 Graphical File Manager - jaybur, 02.12.2007, 04:52
  - GVFM 2.62 Graphical File Manager - RayeR, 01.12.2007, 02:50
    - GVFM 2.62 Graphical File Manager - jaybur, 01.12.2007, 02:54
      - GVFM 2.62 Graphical File Manager - RayeR, 01.12.2007, 14:14
        GVFM 2.62 Graphical File Manager - jaybur, 01.12.2007, 16:02
        GVFM 2.62 Graphical File Manager - Laaca, 01.12.2007, 20:36
        GVFM 2.62 Graphical File Manager - jaybur, 02.12.2007, 05:05
        GVFM 2.62 Graphical File Manager - Rugxulo, 14.12.2007, 19:16
        GVFM 2.62 Graphical File Manager - jaybur, 14.12.2007, 22:37
        Chasm: The Rift (3D DOS FPS written in BP7) demo - Rugxulo, 14.12.2007, 23:49
        Chasm: The Rift (3D DOS FPS written in BP7) demo - jaybur, 15.12.2007, 23:23
        Chasm: The Rift (3D DOS FPS written in BP7) demo - Rugxulo, 16.12.2007, 00:54
        Chasm: The Rift (3D DOS FPS written in BP7) demo - jaybur, 16.12.2007, 08:41
        Chasm: The Rift (3D DOS FPS written in BP7) demo - Rugxulo, 18.12.2007, 03:30
        Chasm: The Rift (3D DOS FPS written in BP7) demo - rr, 18.12.2007, 10:37
        Chasm: The Rift (3D DOS FPS written in BP7) demo - jaybur, 18.12.2007, 14:46
        Chasm: The Rift (3D DOS FPS written in BP7) demo - Rugxulo, 19.12.2007, 03:03
        Chasm: The Rift (3D DOS FPS written in BP7) demo - jaybur, 19.12.2007, 04:04
        Chasm: The Rift (3D DOS FPS written in BP7) demo - Rugxulo, 19.12.2007, 17:33
        Chasm: The Rift (3D DOS FPS written in BP7) demo - jaybur, 19.12.2007, 19:07
        Chasm: The Rift (3D DOS FPS written in BP7) demo - DOS386, 19.12.2007, 20:38
        Chasm: The Rift (3D DOS FPS written in BP7) demo - jaybur, 19.12.2007, 22:55
        UNIVBE - DOS386, 19.12.2007, 23:30
        Chasm: The Rift (3D DOS FPS written in BP7) demo - DOS386, 18.12.2007, 21:23
        GVFM 2.62 Graphical File Manager - RayeR, 03.12.2007, 12:04
- GVFM 2.62 Graphical File Manager - Steve, 30.11.2007, 09:22
  - GVFM 2.62 Graphical File Manager - jaybur, 30.11.2007, 16:39
- GVFM 2.62 Graphical File Manager - flox, 01.12.2007, 13:25
  - GVFM 2.62 Graphical File Manager - jaybur, 01.12.2007, 15:54
    - GVFM 2.62 Graphical File Manager - Japheth, 01.12.2007, 17:21
    - GVFM 2.62 Graphical File Manager - flox, 01.12.2007, 20:50