Betrayed, not failed! (Miscellaneous)
> Nothing is far from the truth. Socialism succeeded, but it was betrayed
> from inside - read the book "Socialism Betrayed" by Roger Keeran and
> Thomas Kenny to understand why and how. It's a scientific book.
Scientific? It's a Stalinist ideological tract.
> Capitalism failed to provice a just society,
Capitalism is irrelevant here. Some capitalist and some other types of societies are just, some capitalist and some other types of societies are unjust.
> is long since obsolete, and will be inevitably replaced by socialism
Wake up. Capitalism is here and it's not going away. Furthermore, capitalism does not require injustice. There is plenty of room for improvement, but in many countries there is also the possibility to work for it. Not so in your so-called socialist paradises.
> (ours was just the beta version!)
A buggy alpha that crashed.
> Some advanced countries like China (already the world's biggest
> economy!)
The US economy is still the largest, by far.
> do it now, with great success!
China's socialism is dead - it's now thoroughly capitalist economically. Politically and socially, it is undergoing great changes, the results of which we cannot yet see. But it will certainly not go back to what you call socialism - nobody wants another crashing alpha. Or beta either.
> Everything that's happened was not so unexpected. The socialist planned
> economy is much more complex to control than the market chaos. Keeran and
> Kenny compare the planned and the "market" economy to an airplane and a
> raft, respectively. The raft always floats, but it's primitive. It's
> enough that the pilot in the airplane is a bad one and voila - it crashes!
And a strong wind or current overturns a raft with its simple structure, lacking in stabilizing mechanisms. That was your stupid socialism. But enough of simple-minded analogies.
> You too lack true freedom of speech. Nobody will give media exposure to
> someone or something "politically incorrect" (an euphemism for
> censorship).
Whereas under your socialism, everyone not only had freedom of speech, but was provided a platform by the state in its newspapers, television, etc.
> It's interesting what Zinoviev told: In socialism, you can curse your own
> boss but not the state boss.
Because if you cursed the state boss, he put you away.
> In capitalism, you can curse the state boss but not your own boss.
Curse your boss at work, and the worst that happens is you lose your job. So you look for another job, or start your own business.
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