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posted by Steve Homepage E-mail, US, 05.06.2008, 14:00

> > Ya ne sovetskii, ne byl sovetskii, ne khochu byt' sovetskii.
>
> Aaaa, znacit tebe po krajnej mere 100 let! Pozdravljaju! (Aaaah, so you're
> at least 100 years old! Congratulations!)
Spasibo. Thank you.

> > It's true that some Americans want what your socialism had: Prisons for political dissidents,
>
> Few dissidents, supported by the hostile USA,
Bullshit.

> which by the way has more prison[er]s than any other country but perhaps China.
Unfortunately, that's true, mostly on account of unnecessarily harsh laws against drug possession. But that is changing now. We have learned a nasty lesson in the cost of stupidity in dealing with our drug problems.

> The USA has disidents too, with mouths shut by the much more effective financial means.
This is completely meaningless.

> > one supreme political party,
>
> The USA has TWO supreme parties, almost equal in their policy. Not much difference.
Two major parties, and a bunch of smaller ones. But be careful how you understand our parties. They are not ideological or homogeneous - each is a coalition of diverse interest groups and shifting alliances. In reality, this makes the parties both stable and flexible, adaptive to change without breaking.

> > forced labor
>
> The USA has forced unemployment.
No. It does not have mandatory employment, which is not the same thing. You socialism did, however, have forced unemployment - for political dissidents.

> > rule by decree rather than law
>
> The USA has rule by corporations - a form of decree too.
The giant corporations certainly have political influence. But they certainly do not rule absolutely. Even if some corporate chiefs wanted to, they could not - the corporations don't even all agree on policy.

> > fake elections
>
> Re: How the court "elected" G.W.Bush
A flaw in 2004, to be sure. But not a permanent feature.

> and the fake Democratic primary elections in Michigan and Florida...
You obviously don't understand what happened in those states.

> > censorship
>
> The USA has even more (and much more effective) media censorship than we had.
Neither more, nor more effective.

> > closed cities...
>
> A la guerre come a la guerre! (Cold war!)
That was not the reason, in the SU.

> No, by those dreams I mean the free education, including higher education, and free medical care for everyone.
Nothing was free. It was a bookkeeping trick. Rather than paying large salaries, and then charging for services, the state kept back its share of the surplus. Instead of paying in money right when it was earned, it paid later in (poor) services.

> Also the unbelievable collectivism vs. the American individualism.
A false dichotomy. Neither society had, or has, such complete polarization.

> Last not least - no fear of tomorrow
Unless you opened your mouth when the police were listening.

> and no credit slavery
No, only the slavery of poverty.

> own house (at least here in Bulgaria), and so on.
> Calm and much longer life!
You must have been drunk. And still be.

> After the coup d'etat in 1989 and the restoration or
> capitalism, the standard of life here fell so sharply that it's
> unbelievable! (I can quote some numbers, if you want.)
Both the coup and the collapse were effects of the state's incompetence and corruption.

> > Oh wait, never mind - Cuban "socialism" is now dead too.
>
> No, it's not dead at all, and it'll outlive the US capitalism,
You obviously don't read the news. Cuba is undergoing rapid change, and will soon reintegrate into the world system.

> a relict of the past since 1917! Come on, capitalism is long since much more obsolete than DOS is!
DOS has outlasted socialism, a relic of the past since 1989. Think about that.

> > Tell the Ukrainians.
>
> Which Ukrainians? The Russian Ukrainians or the Polish Ukrainians? The
> western or the eastern [of Dnepr]? The Oranges or the Red? The Banderists
> [RUH] or the Communists? The US puppets like Yushchenko, the mafia or the
> ordinary people?
So you know some of the varieties of Ukrainians. Good. Tell them all.

> > Welcome to the war, Comrade!
>
> You could be a comrade of mine but you choose the enemy's side. Your
> choice! Sorry!
In truth, I am neither your comrade nor your enemy. I do not share your politics or engage in any kind of war against your country. If you want to see an enemy of your country, look in a mirror.

And you started the war here. Don't launch a broad attack and then cry that a response is an attack on you. And don't bother telling more fairy tales, when so many in the world, including here in this forum, know what your socialism was really like.

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