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posted by kerravon E-mail, Ligao, Free World North, 27.03.2022, 08:39

> It is not "debate" to compare people to rapists.
I didn't actually do that. That was just to
counter the suggestion that we should all be
happy with everyone having their own personal
opinions, even those opinions appear to be
wrong, because hey, freedom.

I prefer debate.

>> I actually try to take debate all the way back to
>> first principles to find out where the difference
>> is occurring.

> What are these "first principles" you talk about?
Normally I don't know what they are. I have to keep
debating to find out what they are.

> Richard Stallman bad, because communism?
No, there is no direct relation to communism.

It seems that he, and apparently people in this
thread, have a belief that the world is filled
with "greedy corps" "exploiting" people (which
would apparently include me).

Whereas I believe our secular capitalist liberal
democracies and seek to lower their input costs.

Work with the system, instead of trying to
overthrow it.

I'm not claiming you personally are trying to
overthrow the system. I don't actually know.
It requires more debate to find out what is
driving you.

> I get it, you have very strong feelings regarding
> Stallman and communism. But emotions are not
> principles. This cannot be emphasized enough.
I don't remember making such a claim, and I've
previously been told that I am emotionless, so
I'm not sure that claim is correct either.

> > So why don't you start a company and make the alleged
> > massive profits from all the public domain code out
> > there? Maybe you could donate some of those profits
> > to charity?
>
> Exactly — why don't you start a company?
I don't have an interest in adding that value to
society. I prefer to instead just lower the input
costs to society.

If the people in this thread aren't willing to make
the sacrifices required to start a company and add
that value to society, then don't complain about
others doing so, and using the cheap input costs of
public domain code. That is in fact exactly what
they should be doing.

> If you know why
> you are not willing to start a company, even given your current
> financial state, then perhaps you will understand.
What I understand is people complaining about
companies in capitalist societies when those
companies provide employment and make progress.

> It seems your claims boil down to something like the following:
>
> (#1) we should make it super-easy for a hypothetical new start-up to take
> existing code and commercialize it, because
This is correct.

> (#2) if we were to start such a company, then we would want
> to enjoy such a benefit, and because
I don't understand this claim, but it doesn't sound
like something I said.

> (#3) any hypothetical start-up is going to be small and powerless, and
I didn't make this claim.

> therefore need all the convenience they can get,
Every company and every individual needs every
convenience they can get, so I agree with that.

> unlike the current
> behemoths like Microsoft and Google which are powerful and kind of evil.
No, I didn't call those companies evil. They are
obeying the law, which is all I expect of them.

> Sorry, but no. This whole line of "reasoning" is wrong on several levels.
Your red herring is wrong on exactly one level - it's
a logical fallacy.

BFN. Paul.

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