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posted by marcov, 27.03.2022, 17:59

> I see one major difference between code placed into the 'public domain'
> and code that's under GPL, MIT, BSD and other various licenses.
> (All of which require that the modified code must be released
> along with the resulting program)
>
> That difference being that 'public domain' does _not_ require
> modified code the be released along with its resulting program.

No. Neither does e.g. BSD or MIT. That is a (L)GPL feature. (see bottom paragraph url)

But I was told the big problem with PD is that copyright in many countries is inalienable without exceptions, and the only way works come into the PD is by expiration of the copyright.

Therefore the license's legal phrase "putting it in the PD" has no legal standing (is an indication of intent only, without legal meaning) in many judicial systems, most notably mainland Europe.

BSD is nearly equivalent and as a main extra clause retains the right to be seen as the author of the work, exactly as the law requires.

> Therefore, any program which started as 'public domain' code would
> for all intents and purposes end-up being "proprietary" and could
> be sold thereby making profit from someone else's work without
> being required to pay the original authors any of those profits.

Such reasoning, as propagated by the FSF is a coloured and highly hypothetical reasoning.

It is not based on any research that I know of, and somewhat unlikely. Do you really think that companies are going to open source their big projects just because you made some little component that they might use (L)GPL?

No, they'll generally either put something BSD licensed beside it (e.g. LLVM vs Gnu GCC), or work around it using the exceptions in the GPL. (see e.g. Tivoisation, or simply keeping the relevant IP in separate binaries rather than libraries)

For an idea see a discussion starter I once made for a unix usergroup: http://www.stack.nl/~marcov/bsdvslgpl.txt

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University Challenge - kerravon, 20.03.2022, 18:14 (Announce)
- University Challenge - tom, 21.03.2022, 21:39
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