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posted by RayeR Homepage, CZ, 11.02.2011, 00:25

> No, since I did the smart thing and junked that kind of kit long ago. Sure,
> if it is your NMR, you might have no choice, but you are not very likely to
> run new software on your NMR.
3 years ago I assisted with building a new PC for a dentist who needed to run his digital x-ray machine that used some special ISA adapter. I also have a friend in FCC PS which sells industrial PCs and ISA is still sometimes used. And PCI a very lot. It's not fun comlpetly remake some old but well running industrial systems. Many people may call me a conservative but I have respect to that well designed and long time running machines...

> I can lookup exact type tomorrow, but it has the flawed *6* series chip,
> so might be hard to get (we ordered just before the recall)
OK, let me know. I was talking about this one:

GIGABYTE P55-UD3L
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This is one and only in the shop offer

> (It is the PNP nature, and the timeouts for busreset, rather than USB
> itself I suspect)
I don't know but I suspect the code. It should run in SMI mode so should be transparent but it may introduce some delays or there maybe some bugs that cause SW to crash... So if I can choose I get PS/2 KB and disable USB emulation.

> No. I never actually got serial/usb connectors to run reliably long term.
I use some with FTDI232 and Prolific PL2302. Single seems to work usable but when we measured various GPS receivers connected to USB HUB it was relly pain. We do outdoor test so it was connected to notebook where was not any real serial and no choice for expansion

> Luckily PCI (or PCIex) versions of com cards are relatively cheap. (I
> actually bought 6 for Eur 15 together a while back)
Yes that's cheap. We bougt combo 2xCOM + 1xLPT PCI-E 1x at work for about 500 CZK ~ 20euro. It works fine under win/linux. But it uses exotic IO base so DOS programs cannot find them and coz of PnP I cannot force them to usual low address. But I don't need it at work only at home.

> I have hit the 3/4 primary partition limit often enough.
And you really need to make them primary? Cannot be in extended? I run multiple OSes dos/win/linux and have enough 3 primary + 1 extended...

> (I assume you mean OSX. if sb says MACOS I still think of classic macos,
> preferably on 68k)
Oh yes, OSX...

> > can use EFI for loading but who will rewrite DOS? This is
> > what I call end of IBM PC compatible.
>
> Thank god! :-)
Hmm, then why you're loosing time on DOS forum with oldskool fanatics rather than polishing your 64bit super hyper modern bloatware windows/linux :-D

> Nobody cares for accelerating it anymore. It is only used for GUIs during
> OS install, and after people go to native emulation. For that
But it's not about any HW acceleration. VESA LFB is just a piece gfx memory mapped into CPU address space. So why it's now 100x slower? New PCI-E bus allows transfer GB/s but someone crippled that.

> "compatibility" situation it doesn't have to be fast. The Linux fora are
> full of thread how to get rid of "generic vesa", and move to native
> ATI/NVIDIA/Intel drivers as quick as possible
Yes linux VESA framebuffer is also affected. You can replace it with something called a "driver" (nouveau) but then it will not be universal. VESA stuff is good for various live CD when you don't know the specific target machine but you know that in this days it has 99,99% VGA card with VESA VBE that alloews you use graphics on some basic level. Without it you need fallback to VGA or provide specific drivers for different VGA card but you still couldn't cover the future models. So VESA is good for basic system.
And also for those who still write some graphics code under DOS or their alternative mini OS. Belive or not such people still lives ;-)

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