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posted by Rugxulo Homepage, Usono, 12.02.2011, 21:28

> I killed off all Dos use on normal windows systems in 2002-2003 when I
> moved to Win2000. (Since dos fullscreen apps are much slower on NT than
> win32 stuff)
Except for LZMA-FPC, I've never seen any significant slowdown with 32-bit DOS apps. So nyah.

DJGPP is (apparently) more stable than most others, though, probably due to NTVDM bugs they worked around.

> > And this makes it bloat.
>
> Sorry. The word bloat is meaningless without context, since it is a
> relative term, and it is not clear in what context. A Full Live DVD
> typically (because of its compressed filesystem) in the range of 6GB of
> binaries.
Home users never needed 4 GB before, and I doubt they need it now. That is bloat. Something is wrong when you need that much RAM. And an OS should never need even 1 GB of space for itself. A gigabyte is a lot of space.

> > Yes but it's my hobby like someone else care about his
> C64/Atari/Amiga...
> > but seems 8-bit community is larger now...
>
> No problem, but the point I was trying to make is that the C=64/Amiga
> community doesn't expect current vendors to tailor to their wishes. It is
> the desire and illusion to run old software on new hardware ad infinitum
> that causes the (self inflicted) pain.
Blame Intel for the 386 (V86 mode). Blame MS and Bill Gates for calling the 286 "braindead" for lacking it. Blame PharLap and Borland and Watcom and DJGPP for bringing DOS extenders to the masses. Blame DOSEMU (even x86-64), FreeDOS, DOSBox for giving free alternatives. And blame MS for Win9x (DOS-based) and WinNT supporting NTVDM at all (despite bugs they refused to fix). Blame those who wrote all those famous DOS apps (Desqview, MASM, TP/BP, Doom). Blame DOSMinix and old Linux 2.4's UMSDOS. And blame those who still sell DOS software (esp. games, Gog.com or Sierra or id).

> That is self delusional. Like the C=64 community, the dos community must
> stop whining and take charge itself, since there is nothing to be expected
> from PC vendors despite the similarity of new computers to the old ones dos
> used to run on. This similarity has been a blessing, but is at the slowly
> getting a curse since it provides no clean break where people say "now we
> have to fend for our own", and tempts people to try to prolong it just a
> little bit longer. That together with the fact that Dos itself doesn't
> evolutes is hopeless.
MS thinks you can just (re)buy everything. Linux thinks you can just (re)compile everything. Mac doesn't care, they deprecate faster than anyone. According to popular opinion, no other OS matters (not even your precious FreeBSD, sorry). So it's all a losing battle (or constant war) anyways.

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