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PCI phased out? (Announce)

posted by RayeR Homepage, CZ, 12.02.2011, 02:34

Holy f*ck, I was auto-logged out during writting a long reply and it didn't posted and got lost, fortunatelly most I recovered via Read&Write utility dumping physmem, it still was in RAM...

> I know all about it. But staying to conservative too long is not healthy
> either. The big gaps in technology then kill you. Throwing some money at it
> to keep old stuff running can then be the easy way, but is not always the
> smartest.
Hm it's golder rule of nowdays economy, make faster, sell more, shorter (managed) lifetime, but it couldn't be shortened to zero, this is highway to hell... But I agree it's good to track new technologies. But it's becoming more and more complicated so you cannot understand it all to the lowest level...

> Gigabyte H67M-D2 (for socket LGA1155, the new Sandy Bridge CPUs) has two
> COM sockets. It also has PS/2.
Thanks. Unfortunatelly it doesn't have any PCI :( BTW did you read about serious bug in intel 6x series chipset? One transistor with too thin gate at high potencial causing excessive leak can disable bot SATA3 ports within few months of use. Intel will replace this chipsets with new revision and you should be able to got free mobo replacement.

> How do you boot a dos partition in the extended partition? Windows is even
> worse. While old NT4 had a way to have a separate bootmgr, afaik this
> doesn't exist anymore (and if it does, it eats an extra paritition).
I don't boot DOS from ext. partition. But I have it on 1st primary FAT16 with other OSes. I have installed WinXP NTLDR that boots:
-WinXP on another primary partition
-WinNT 4.0 on 1st primary
-Win98SE + MSDOS 7.1 on 1st primary via DOS boot sector image
-MSDOS 6.22 on 1st primary via DOS boot sector image
-Linux on another primary partition started from DOS via linld
I have also 2nd HDD with freedos and backup of Win98 and NT4.

> I sometimes wonder too :-) But I'm mainly here because of interest in
> fullscreen textmode apps. Something that is simply more happening on Dos,
> but works absolutely fine on 64bit super hyper modern bloatware
> windows/linux/BSD/OSX
So you mean win32 console apps because DOS console apps doesn't run on x64 because of lack of NTVDM (only via regular emulator)...

> Because it is not properly initialized, and nobody cares since the onesit
> is only used for the minimal stuff
I must figured how. on previous system it was the same problem becuse MTRR regs was not set. I wrote utility to setup it that worked fine on range of old pentiums to new core 2 systemes but this doesn't have effect on core i3/5/7.

> Search for Coreboot (the open source bios, with wonderful functionality as
> minimal OSes in the BIOS), they IIRC have a nice writeup over what happens
> when the PC boots.
One friend code for coreboot I'll ask him but he's AMD fan. AFAIK coreboot did not met this newest HW, they support more older well documented HW.

> But universal is only required for installation. Maybe a bit rescue with a
But idea of live CD is not installation it should run on most of different HW instantly, even without network connection for downloading new drivers.

> It _would_ be good yes. But nobody on Linux is interested in that, since
> better drivers (nouveau or the old nv) exist. The trend is to pull this
> even more into the kernel (kernel mode switching recognizes the exact
> card)
And this makes it bloat. Can you imagine a single boot floppy filled with all different framebuffer drivers? Even if you fit in it will support current VGA but not future. VESA will do until it will disappear.

> The group is simply too
> small. (maybe one or two specialised industrial producers excluded, but
> they will have a relatively old and narrow set of products for extortionist
> prices, the reason why we don't buy our industrial PCs there)
>
> That is my point. It has no point to say that it could be cared for, or
> that there are still people that use it. It is not a factor in development
> of new hardware or its software (read: bios), and hasn't been for years,
> and what's left from Dos bios support is a result of inertia, and it will
> only become less.
Yes but it's my hobby like someone else care about his C64/Atari/Amiga... but seems 8-bit community is larger now...

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