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PCI phased out? (Announce)

posted by marcov, 12.02.2011, 12:45
(edited by marcov on 12.02.2011, 13:13)

> Hm it's golder rule of nowdays economy, make faster, sell more, shorter
> (managed) lifetime, but it couldn't be shortened to zero, this is highway
> to hell... But I agree it's good to track new technologies. But it's
> becoming more and more complicated so you cannot understand it all to the
> lowest level...
It's always been that way. But the cycles are indeed awfully short nowadays.

> > Gigabyte H67M-D2 (for socket LGA1155, the new Sandy Bridge CPUs) has
> two
> > COM sockets. It also has PS/2.
>
> Thanks. Unfortunatelly it doesn't have any PCI :(
Aargh indeed. Yes, for work purposes we only have once type of PCI card that we use, and we use that only rarely. Most stuff has been converted to PCIexpress. We were relatively early with that because we need multiple (full speed capable) Gigabit links in a machine. Something you can't get with PCI

> BTW did you read about
> serious bug in intel 6x series chipset? One transistor with too thin gate
> at high potencial causing excessive leak can disable bot SATA3 ports within
> few months of use. Intel will replace this chipsets with new revision and
> you should be able to got free mobo replacement.
Yes. But Intel replaces chips to Gigabyte. Moreover currently we can get perfectly by using the SATA6 ports.

> > I sometimes wonder too :-) But I'm mainly here because of interest in
> > fullscreen textmode apps. Something that is simply more happening on
> Dos,
> > but works absolutely fine on 64bit super hyper modern bloatware
> > windows/linux/BSD/OSX
>
> So you mean win32 console apps because DOS console apps doesn't run on x64
> because of lack of NTVDM (only via regular emulator)...
I mostly run win64 binaries on x64. Not because there is a technical reason, but if people don't use it, the FPC win64 port will never get mature.

I killed off all Dos use on normal windows systems in 2002-2003 when I moved to Win2000. (Since dos fullscreen apps are much slower on NT than win32 stuff)

The Pascal exes hardly hurt, it was simply a recompile. The 16-bit modula-2 ones did hurt, but I took the opportunity to clean out the cob webs (the LFN workarounds and detections, the 64k and 640k limit workarounds etc etc)

Most of these programs were in the realms of file indexing, mass renaming, and the more involved ones did logfile processing. The biggest app was never ported because the application whose logfile it processed had died out.

> One friend code for coreboot I'll ask him but he's AMD fan. AFAIK coreboot
> did not met this newest HW, they support more older well documented HW.
True.

> > But universal is only required for installation. Maybe a bit rescue with
> a
>
> But idea of live CD is not installation it should run on most of different
> HW instantly, even without network connection for downloading new drivers.
Yes, but there are only three major videocard vendors. Ati/AMD, Nvidia and intel. Most live systems have them onboard.

> > It _would_ be good yes. But nobody on Linux is interested in that, since
> > better drivers (nouveau or the old nv) exist. The trend is to pull this
> > even more into the kernel (kernel mode switching recognizes the exact
> > card)
>
> And this makes it bloat.

Sorry. The word bloat is meaningless without context, since it is a relative term, and it is not clear in what context. A Full Live DVD typically (because of its compressed filesystem) in the range of 6GB of binaries.

> Can you imagine a single boot floppy filled with
> all different framebuffer drivers? Even if you fit in it will support
> current VGA but not future. VESA will do until it will disappear.
Floppy? Which live CD still boots from floppy? They all moved to IDE emulation years ago (IIRC Slackware 8.1 is the last major linux distro with 2.88MB floppy emulation.

f you mean dos, see below (quoted remarks. Nobody still builds BIOSes with 1997 in mind. You might think that is wrong. I might think that it is wrong (also for my non-dos purposes a more fully featured VESA would be a good thing), but that is simply the way it is.

> > The group is simply too
> > small. (maybe one or two specialised industrial producers excluded, but
> > they will have a relatively old and narrow set of products for
> extortionist
> > prices, the reason why we don't buy our industrial PCs there)
> >
> > That is my point. It has no point to say that it could be cared for, or
> > that there are still people that use it. It is not a factor in
> development
> > of new hardware or its software (read: bios), and hasn't been for years,
> > and what's left from Dos bios support is a result of inertia, and it
> will
> > only become less.
>
> Yes but it's my hobby like someone else care about his C64/Atari/Amiga...
> but seems 8-bit community is larger now...
No problem, but the point I was trying to make is that the C=64/Amiga community doesn't expect current vendors to tailor to their wishes. It is the desire and illusion to run old software on new hardware ad infinitum that causes the (self inflicted) pain.

That is self delusional. Like the C=64 community, the dos community must stop whining and take charge itself, since there is nothing to be expected from PC vendors despite the similarity of new computers to the old ones dos used to run on. This similarity has been a blessing, but is at the slowly getting a curse since it provides no clean break where people say "now we have to fend for our own", and tempts people to try to prolong it just a little bit longer. That together with the fact that Dos itself doesn't evolutes is hopeless.

The linux community builds own ARM and MIPS hardware and phones.

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