DOS ain't dead - PCI phased out?

PCI phased out? (Announce)

posted by RayeR , CZ, 16.02.2011, 12:22

> Of course not. One can use old software ad infinitum.

But you can change application data format to be incompatible with previous version this will isolate the user with old SW and after some time he will be forced to buy new SW+HW. Microsoft can teach us :)

> Yes, and in other extreme cases it is twice as fast (as e.g. AES
> encryption). So what?

2x fast only due to 64bit if used same MMX/SSE insctructions both on 32bit and 64bit CPU?

> IMHO there are no taboos here.

Of course not. But I also don't go to linux forum and tell them that e.g. linux on desktop is a nonsense because Windows have more intuitive GUI and generaly rules on 99% desktops...

> Multiple pipes multiple instructions per clock. 60 afaik is halfway
> between pentium and ppro (in philosophy, not in performance. It is a low
> clocked pentium in performance, and more)

I didn't want to compare their performance just point that 8-bit HW (C64, ZX...) are much easier than PC. Also the strictly HW standard of these computers is big advantege for programing kernel and drivers. PC is generic glued from many different parts so it's not such easy...

> IIRC while lower counts are possible, anything below 10 prints is nearly as
> expensive as 10 prints. And even with 10 prints the costs are significantly
> more than 25. We usually do 10 for "first" prints and 25 otherwise (since
> usually the basic parts will work, and only "new" functionality is at
> risk)

Yes. We do usually 4 for prototypes and send it to local PCB manufacturer simply because he is fast. If I send it to china I will see my board after ~3 weeks. We send there thousand batches.

> We have 4 layer SMD 100 pin device prints, but that is still several
> magnitudes less complex than a mainboard.

I personally did only 6-layer with TQFP144 (0.4mm pitch) CPU and BGA 121 GSM module, still much less than real mobo. But now we are started to use microvias (LASER drilled) that helps the design a lot...

> Popular and "used" are two different things. And I'm afraid it is the
> latter rather than the former.

I think they also develop something I'll have to take a google translator and browse their forum when have a time...

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Complete thread:

PCI phased out? - marcov, 09.02.2011, 12:51 (Announce)
- PCI phased out? - RayeR, 09.02.2011, 16:24
  - PCI phased out? - marcov, 10.02.2011, 16:02
    - PCI phased out? - RayeR, 10.02.2011, 17:57
      - PCI phased out? - marcov, 10.02.2011, 21:10
        PCI phased out? - RayeR, 11.02.2011, 00:25
        PCI phased out? - marcov, 11.02.2011, 10:56
        PCI phased out? - RayeR, 12.02.2011, 02:34
        PCI phased out? - marcov, 12.02.2011, 12:45
        PCI phased out? - Rugxulo, 12.02.2011, 21:28
        PCI phased out? - DOS386, 13.02.2011, 06:02
        PCI phased out? - RayeR, 13.02.2011, 16:11
        PCI phased out? - DOS386, 14.02.2011, 09:27
        PCI phased out? - marcov, 14.02.2011, 10:29
        NTVDM speed (or lack thereof) - Ninho, 15.02.2011, 12:26
        NTVDM speed (or lack thereof) - Rugxulo, 15.02.2011, 14:26
        NTVDM speed (or lack thereof) - marcov, 15.02.2011, 14:33
        NTVDM speed (or lack thereof) - Ninho, 15.02.2011, 20:27
        NTVDM speed (or lack thereof) - Rugxulo, 15.02.2011, 23:21
        NTVDM speed (or lack thereof) - marcov, 16.02.2011, 09:24
        NTVDM speed (or lack thereof) - Ninho, 16.02.2011, 20:04
        NTVDM speed (or lack thereof) - RayeR, 16.02.2011, 01:50
        NTVDM speed (or lack thereof) - Rugxulo, 16.02.2011, 02:24
        NTVDM speed (or lack thereof) - RayeR, 16.02.2011, 10:41
        NTVDM speed (or lack thereof) - rr, 17.02.2011, 20:33
        PCI phased out? - RayeR, 14.02.2011, 15:45
        PCI phased out? - marcov, 15.02.2011, 13:40
        PCI phased out? - RayeR, 15.02.2011, 15:15
        PCI phased out? - marcov, 15.02.2011, 18:43
        PCI phased out? - RayeR, 15.02.2011, 19:46
        PCI phased out? - marcov, 16.02.2011, 10:36
        PCI phased out? - RayeR, 16.02.2011, 12:22
        PCI phased out? - marcov, 16.02.2011, 15:38
        PCI phased out? - Rugxulo, 16.02.2011, 19:18
        PCI phased out? - marcov, 16.02.2011, 21:22
        PCI phased out? - Rugxulo, 17.02.2011, 02:28
        EOD (was "PCI phased out?") - DOS386, 17.02.2011, 06:44
        PCI phased out? - marcov, 17.02.2011, 19:44
        PCI phased out? - Rugxulo, 18.02.2011, 08:39
        PCI phased out? - marcov, 18.02.2011, 09:30
        PCI phased out? - Rugxulo, 21.02.2011, 07:43
        PCI phased out? - Rugxulo, 08.03.2011, 23:47
        PCI phased out? - Rugxulo, 11.03.2011, 00:06
        PCI phased out? - roytam, 11.03.2011, 07:52
        PCI phased out? - Rugxulo, 17.03.2011, 04:16
        PCI phased out? - Ninho, 19.02.2011, 10:56
        PCI phased out? - Rugxulo, 21.02.2011, 07:15
        PCI phased out? - marcov, 21.02.2011, 14:09
        PCI phased out? - Laaca, 21.02.2011, 14:22
        PCI phased out? - marcov, 21.02.2011, 14:47
        PCI phased out? - roytam, 22.02.2011, 04:26
        PCI phased out? - RayeR, 22.02.2011, 13:29
        PCI phased out? - RayeR, 22.02.2011, 23:44
        PCI phased out? - Ninho, 23.02.2011, 17:39
        PCI phased out? - RayeR, 23.02.2011, 19:47
        PCI phased out? - Ninho, 23.02.2011, 19:56
        PCI phased out? - RayeR, 23.02.2011, 23:27
        PCI phased out? - RayeR, 24.02.2011, 14:37
        PCI phased out? - Rugxulo, 16.03.2011, 04:58
        PCI phased out? - RayeR, 18.02.2011, 14:28
        PCI phased out? - marcov, 18.02.2011, 14:56
        PCI phased out? - roytam, 29.01.2015, 03:45