32-bit MSDOS (Announce)
> I welcome any development of a possible UEFI-replacement for DOS, and the
> elegance of your "32-bit MSDOS" seems like it one day will surmount the CSM
> / BIOS limitations which a 16-bit MSDOS imposes.
Surely if we're going to involve UEFI, the first
thing we should have is a UEFI that simply restores
the basic BIOS services?
That then makes all BIOS-dependent OSes work, not
just "32-bit MSDOS".
> Memory and file systems supported? FAT32, EX-FAT, NTFS? Is it in fact
What memory are you talking about? Currently I
just call the BIOS to get the extended memory
size, which gives me enough to run gccwin, but
it is my intention to get the proper memory
map so that I have access to nearly 4 GiB or
whatever. It just hasn't been a priority.
FAT-12, 16, 32 are supported. Note that FAT-32
and LFN was entirely written by an 18-year old
girl called Alica from Slovakia.
> file-system agnostic?
In what way? My main focus is on C90, so most
applications I care about do not know what
the file system is.
> Getting away from Microsoft standards is important,
> but so is backward compatibility with extant filesystems. Does it support
> unsigned long access to files natively, ie able to access files from 2 GiB
> to 4 GiB-1?
C90 is limited to seeking to a "long", so I don't
want to get involved in kludges to exceed that.
To exceed that my intention is to change gccwin
so that "long" (only) is 64-bit. Using 80386
instructions still.
> How about access to PAE memory as has been done with Japheth's
> XMS 3.5 protocol, for example.
I don't know what PAE is. Alica added paging,
but my only interest in paging is to switch
it off so that V=R and I return to a simple,
understandable system. Then when an exception
like divide by zero occurs, I will be able to
print an MVS-style dump that includes stack
traceback.
Note that over the weekend I discovered that
Windows has the ability to do the equivalent,
it's just not enabled by default.
It starts with this PowerShell script:
enabdump.ps1:
New-Item -Path "HKLM:\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\Windows Error
Reporting" -Name "LocalDumps"
New-ItemProperty -Path "HKLM:\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\Windows Error
Reporting\LocalDumps" -Name "DumpFolder" -Value
"%LOCALAPPDATA%\CrashDumps" -PropertyType "ExpandString"
New-ItemProperty -Path "HKLM:\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\Windows Error
Reporting\LocalDumps" -Name "DumpCount" -Value 10 -PropertyType DWord
New-ItemProperty -Path "HKLM:\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\Windows Error
Reporting\LocalDumps" -Name "DumpType" -Value 2 -PropertyType DWord
and then you match it with windbg, link maps
and assembler listings (with offsets) of your
C code.
Probably a majority of the time you will be able
to solve a production problem with a single
crash, instead of needing to be able to reproduce
the problem in dev.
Note that I have a plan to change gccwin to save
all registers on function entry, and save the EIP
and function name by doing a "call", so that the
entire stack traceback is predictable. That's how
to match MVS convention which I like.
BFN. Paul.
Complete thread:
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 26.06.2021, 15:52 (Announce)
- 32-bit MSDOS - tom, 27.06.2021, 13:23
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 27.06.2021, 13:46
- 32-bit MSDOS - tom, 27.06.2021, 14:14
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 27.06.2021, 14:58
- 32-bit MSDOS - Japheth, 27.06.2021, 16:09
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 27.06.2021, 17:46
- 32-bit MSDOS - Japheth, 28.06.2021, 05:54
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 28.06.2021, 07:15
- 32-bit MSDOS - RayeR, 28.06.2021, 13:43
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 28.06.2021, 15:04
- 32-bit MSDOS - tkchia, 28.06.2021, 19:00
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 29.06.2021, 00:34
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 29.06.2021, 01:52
- 32-bit MSDOS - marcov, 30.06.2021, 15:11
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 30.06.2021, 22:32
- 32-bit MSDOS - marcov, 30.06.2021, 22:42
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 30.06.2021, 22:57
- 32-bit MSDOS - marcov, 01.07.2021, 09:45
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 01.07.2021, 13:39
- 32-bit MSDOS - marcov, 01.07.2021, 15:54
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 02.07.2021, 00:59
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 02.07.2021, 13:31
- 32-bit MSDOS - marcov, 03.07.2021, 19:28
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 04.07.2021, 01:55
- 32-bit MSDOS - marcov, 04.07.2021, 22:29
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 05.07.2021, 00:31
- 32-bit MSDOS - marcov, 05.07.2021, 10:05
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 05.07.2021, 10:28
- 32-bit MSDOS - mceric, 05.07.2021, 12:40
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 05.07.2021, 14:00
- 32-bit MSDOS - mceric, 05.07.2021, 16:27
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 05.07.2021, 23:55
- 32-bit MSDOS - tom, 06.07.2021, 09:51
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 06.07.2021, 11:06
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 07.07.2021, 09:31
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 06.07.2021, 11:06
- 32-bit MSDOS - tom, 06.07.2021, 09:51
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 05.07.2021, 23:55
- 32-bit MSDOS - mceric, 05.07.2021, 16:27
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 05.07.2021, 14:00
- 32-bit MSDOS - mceric, 05.07.2021, 12:40
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 05.07.2021, 10:28
- 32-bit MSDOS - marcov, 05.07.2021, 10:05
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 05.07.2021, 00:31
- 32-bit MSDOS - marcov, 04.07.2021, 22:29
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 04.07.2021, 01:55
- 32-bit MSDOS - marcov, 03.07.2021, 19:28
- 32-bit MSDOS - marcov, 02.07.2021, 14:05
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 02.07.2021, 15:19
- 32-bit MSDOS - marcov, 02.07.2021, 16:02
- 32-bit MSDOS - mceric, 02.07.2021, 17:15
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 02.07.2021, 17:43
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 03.07.2021, 05:14
- 32-bit MSDOS - mceric, 03.07.2021, 13:03
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 03.07.2021, 13:16
- 32-bit MSDOS - marcov, 03.07.2021, 15:35
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 03.07.2021, 15:45
- 32-bit MSDOS - marcov, 03.07.2021, 19:06
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 04.07.2021, 02:00
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 04.07.2021, 02:50
- 32-bit MSDOS - marcov, 04.07.2021, 22:59
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 05.07.2021, 00:51
- 32-bit MSDOS - marcov, 05.07.2021, 10:00
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 05.07.2021, 10:23
- 32-bit MSDOS - marcov, 05.07.2021, 13:19
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 05.07.2021, 13:48
- 32-bit MSDOS - marcov, 05.07.2021, 13:19
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 05.07.2021, 10:23
- 32-bit MSDOS - marcov, 05.07.2021, 10:00
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 05.07.2021, 00:51
- 32-bit MSDOS - marcov, 04.07.2021, 22:59
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 04.07.2021, 03:10
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 04.07.2021, 03:15
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 04.07.2021, 05:24
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 04.07.2021, 05:32
- 32-bit MSDOS - marcov, 04.07.2021, 23:08
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 05.07.2021, 01:00
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 05.07.2021, 04:10
- 32-bit MSDOS - tkchia, 05.07.2021, 15:09
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 05.07.2021, 15:48
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 05.07.2021, 01:00
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 04.07.2021, 05:43
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 04.07.2021, 07:06
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 04.07.2021, 07:35
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 04.07.2021, 05:24
- 32-bit MSDOS - tkchia, 04.07.2021, 09:16
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 04.07.2021, 10:13
- 32-bit MSDOS - tkchia, 04.07.2021, 11:03
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 04.07.2021, 11:14
- 32-bit MSDOS - tkchia, 04.07.2021, 11:03
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 04.07.2021, 10:13
- 32-bit MSDOS - marcov, 04.07.2021, 22:57
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 05.07.2021, 00:48
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 04.07.2021, 03:15
- 32-bit MSDOS - marcov, 04.07.2021, 22:37
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 05.07.2021, 00:33
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 04.07.2021, 02:50
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 04.07.2021, 02:00
- 32-bit MSDOS - marcov, 03.07.2021, 19:06
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 03.07.2021, 15:45
- 32-bit MSDOS - marcov, 03.07.2021, 15:35
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 03.07.2021, 13:16
- 32-bit MSDOS - marcov, 03.07.2021, 14:30
- 32-bit MSDOS - marcov, 03.07.2021, 14:47
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 03.07.2021, 15:39
- 32-bit MSDOS - marcov, 03.07.2021, 16:12
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 03.07.2021, 16:23
- 32-bit MSDOS - marcov, 03.07.2021, 16:12
- 32-bit MSDOS - mceric, 03.07.2021, 13:03
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 03.07.2021, 05:14
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 02.07.2021, 17:43
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 02.07.2021, 17:40
- 32-bit MSDOS - marcov, 03.07.2021, 14:02
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 03.07.2021, 14:41
- 32-bit MSDOS - marcov, 03.07.2021, 15:54
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 03.07.2021, 16:16
- user32.dll - marcov, 03.07.2021, 19:48
- user32.dll - kerravon, 04.07.2021, 02:20
- user32.dll - marcov, 04.07.2021, 23:17
- user32.dll - kerravon, 05.07.2021, 01:07
- user32.dll - marcov, 04.07.2021, 23:17
- user32.dll - kerravon, 04.07.2021, 02:20
- user32.dll - marcov, 03.07.2021, 19:48
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 03.07.2021, 16:16
- 32-bit MSDOS - marcov, 03.07.2021, 15:54
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 03.07.2021, 14:41
- 32-bit MSDOS - marcov, 03.07.2021, 14:02
- 32-bit MSDOS - mceric, 02.07.2021, 17:15
- 32-bit MSDOS - marcov, 02.07.2021, 16:02
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 02.07.2021, 15:19
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 02.07.2021, 13:31
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 02.07.2021, 00:59
- 32-bit MSDOS - marcov, 01.07.2021, 15:54
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 01.07.2021, 13:39
- 32-bit MSDOS - marcov, 01.07.2021, 09:45
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 30.06.2021, 22:57
- 32-bit MSDOS - marcov, 30.06.2021, 22:42
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 30.06.2021, 22:32
- 32-bit MSDOS - tkchia, 30.06.2021, 19:04
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 30.06.2021, 22:42
- 32-bit MSDOS - marcov, 30.06.2021, 22:47
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 30.06.2021, 23:14
- 32-bit MSDOS - marcov, 30.06.2021, 22:47
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 30.06.2021, 22:42
- 32-bit MSDOS - marcov, 30.06.2021, 15:11
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 29.06.2021, 01:52
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 29.06.2021, 00:34
- 32-bit MSDOS - tom, 28.06.2021, 20:47
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 29.06.2021, 00:21
- 32-bit MSDOS - tkchia, 28.06.2021, 19:00
- 32-bit MSDOS - tkchia, 28.06.2021, 19:09
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 29.06.2021, 05:16
- 32-bit MSDOS - Japheth, 29.06.2021, 05:40
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 29.06.2021, 07:14
- 32-bit Public Domain DOS - tom, 30.06.2021, 22:19
- 32-bit MSDOS - Japheth, 29.06.2021, 05:40
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 28.06.2021, 15:04
- 32-bit MSDOS - RayeR, 28.06.2021, 13:43
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 28.06.2021, 07:15
- 32-bit MSDOS - Japheth, 28.06.2021, 05:54
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 27.06.2021, 18:00
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 27.06.2021, 18:31
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 27.06.2021, 18:47
- 32-bit MSDOS - Japheth, 27.06.2021, 20:40
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 27.06.2021, 20:57
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 27.06.2021, 22:12
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 27.06.2021, 20:57
- 32-bit MSDOS - Japheth, 27.06.2021, 20:40
- 32-bit MSDOS - bocke, 14.09.2021, 11:33
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 27.06.2021, 18:47
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 27.06.2021, 18:31
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 27.06.2021, 17:46
- 32-bit MSDOS - Japheth, 27.06.2021, 16:09
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 27.06.2021, 14:58
- YAOIS - Yet Another Irrelevant Operating System - tom, 27.06.2021, 20:03
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 27.06.2021, 20:18
- YAOIS - Yet Another Irrelevant Operating System - kerravon, 27.06.2021, 20:23
- YAOIS - Yet Another Irrelevant Operating System - mceric, 27.06.2021, 20:28
- YAOIS - Yet Another Irrelevant Operating System - kerravon, 27.06.2021, 20:47
- YAOIS - Yet Another Irrelevant Operating System - kerravon, 27.06.2021, 20:51
- YAOIS - Yet Another Irrelevant Operating System - kerravon, 27.06.2021, 20:53
- YAOIS - Yet Another Irrelevant Operating System - kerravon, 27.06.2021, 20:54
- YAOIS - Yet Another Irrelevant Operating System - rr, 27.06.2021, 21:21
- YAOIS - Yet Another Irrelevant Operating System - kerravon, 27.06.2021, 20:54
- YAOIS - Yet Another Irrelevant Operating System - kerravon, 27.06.2021, 20:53
- YAOIS - Yet Another Irrelevant Operating System - kerravon, 27.06.2021, 20:51
- YAOIS - Yet Another Irrelevant Operating System - kerravon, 27.06.2021, 20:47
- YAOIS - Yet Another Irrelevant Operating System - kerravon, 27.06.2021, 21:30
- YAOIS - Yet Another Irrelevant Operating System - kerravon, 27.06.2021, 21:59
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- 32-bit MSDOS - DosWorld, 24.09.2021, 20:54
- 32-bit MSDOS - tom, 27.06.2021, 14:14
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 27.06.2021, 13:46
- 32-bit MSDOS - RayeR, 28.06.2021, 03:59
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 28.06.2021, 07:13
- 32-bit MSDOS - Zyzzle, 28.06.2021, 06:22
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 28.06.2021, 07:30
- 32-bit MSDOS - marcov, 30.06.2021, 22:49
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 30.06.2021, 23:08
- 32-bit MSDOS - mceric, 01.07.2021, 01:52
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 01.07.2021, 06:37
- 32-bit MSDOS - tkchia, 03.07.2021, 22:13
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 04.07.2021, 01:50
- 32-bit MSDOS - tkchia, 04.07.2021, 09:08
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 04.07.2021, 10:05
- 32-bit MSDOS - tkchia, 04.07.2021, 10:53
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 04.07.2021, 10:05
- 32-bit MSDOS - tkchia, 04.07.2021, 09:08
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 04.07.2021, 01:50
- 32-bit MSDOS - Brian_extended, 24.07.2021, 02:10
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 06.08.2021, 13:56
- 32-bit Public Domain OS - tom, 06.08.2021, 15:21
- 32-bit Public Domain OS - kerravon, 06.08.2021, 15:57
- 32-bit Public Domain OS - tom, 06.08.2021, 15:21
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 07.08.2021, 05:41
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 06.08.2021, 13:56
- 32-bit MSDOS - mceric, 01.07.2021, 01:52
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 30.06.2021, 23:08
- 32-bit MSDOS - RayeR, 03.08.2021, 06:59
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 06.08.2021, 13:50
- 32-bit MSDOS - RayeR, 06.08.2021, 15:09
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 06.08.2021, 16:07
- 32-bit MSDOS - RayeR, 20.08.2021, 18:59
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 27.09.2021, 04:28
- 32-bit MSDOS - mceric, 28.09.2021, 01:04
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 14.10.2021, 04:37
- 32-bit MSDOS - mceric, 28.09.2021, 01:04
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 27.09.2021, 04:28
- 32-bit MSDOS - RayeR, 20.08.2021, 18:59
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 06.08.2021, 16:07
- 32-bit MSDOS - RayeR, 06.08.2021, 15:09
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 06.08.2021, 13:50
- 32-bit MSDOS - dggionco, 09.08.2021, 14:43
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 09.08.2021, 15:39
- 32-bit MSDOS - dggionco, 09.08.2021, 20:00
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 09.08.2021, 21:25
- 32-bit MSDOS - dggionco, 10.08.2021, 14:58
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 10.08.2021, 17:06
- 32-bit MSDOS - dggionco, 10.08.2021, 18:06
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 10.08.2021, 17:06
- 32-bit MSDOS - dggionco, 10.08.2021, 14:58
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 09.08.2021, 21:25
- 32-bit MSDOS - dggionco, 09.08.2021, 20:09
- 32-bit MSDOS - dggionco, 09.08.2021, 20:00
- 32-bit MSDOS - kerravon, 09.08.2021, 15:39
- 32-bit MSDOS - tom, 27.06.2021, 13:23